which is it, steve? is it believing mitt romney or are their lying eyes peering at you as a conservative? >> i would say a couple of things. looking at president clinton's second term, from balanced budgets to a defensive marriage act, balanced welfare, probably among the most conservative presidents since calvin cooli e coolidge. i want defer to him and certainly given the fact he was impeached i would defer to president clinton on who's being dishonest or not. he's clearly more of a subject. >> i got the backhanded compliment. you sucker punch the guy but that's not my question. the question is, the essence of what he's saying today, not 12 years ago, not before the game, the game today, as he has described bill clinton describing mitt romney yesterday, what is your take on the man i'm assuming romney you the conservative will vote for and i say assume because i don't know where you go on this. you have stated that you despise mitt romney even though you're a conservative. >> well, i would -- you know,